This paper performs a dialogue/an encounter between Madness (or the false mad Demidamia from the opera La Finta Pazza performed in Venice in 1641) and the Bastard (the illegitimate love child of arts, performance and education). Entangled they move through time, talking, confronting, shaping and diffracting a non‐existing form. Their method is about diffracting every inch of their journey. Meeting obstacles, facing resistance, walking into bubbles of flair and comfort, stepping into dilemmas and borderlands. Continuously asking themselves: What happens in the microscopic moment? When no/thing could even be imagined. On their way they challenge both time and existence. Learning through teaching through learning. Their journey is an ornamenting becoming in itself. It is an example of mattering as in meaning-­‐making and knowledge processing, based on a performance of the indeterminable and affinity. The outcome in the performative encounter in itself – a potential model for teaching and learning in higher arts education.